Curse

Cacheelma · Feb 10, 2008, 02:11 AM // 02:11

You found this to be trivial because you don't care about it as much as others do. Is it WRONG that some of us actually CARE about something you think it's "trivial"?

Please.

Redfeather1975 · Feb 10, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

You found this to be trivial because you don't care about it as much as others do. Is it WRONG that some of us actually CARE about something you think it's "trivial"?

Please.

Yes, it's wrong to care about something of this nature too such a degree that it leads to this type of behaviour. I see so much ferocity, chicken little attitudes, conspiracy theories and bypassing of the swear filter I have to believe that a reality check and coping skill adjustment are needed by some individuals here.

I'm actually starting to get worried about some parts of the community and I imagine Anet and any psychiatric association would be too. It's why I can't ignore this topic.

Knightsaber Sith · Feb 10, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

Anet are /fail, end of.

Just because you got stupidly rich farming runes outside Bergen before the nerf (or any of the other early day farms for that matter), have the decency to accept that some people didn't.

Any new players buying GW now, or in the last year, are seriously screwed in terms of getting the money to go for titles.

And Anet now finds it necessary to add 2 goldsinks in one festival. Really, well done. I think I might just be moving on to something different now. And GW2? Pull the other one mate, it's got bells on.

Gold sinks don't exist for the sake of everyone being able to get them right off the bat. They exist to give veterans who have been around for a long time something to do.

lyra_song · Feb 10, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

Gold sinks don't exist for the sake of everyone being able to get them right off the bat. They exist to give veterans who have been around for a long time something to do.

Its not a goldsink. Its a way to turn 5 pigs into 1.

Players made it into a goldsink thanks to their greed.

enter_the_zone · Feb 10, 2008, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

Gold sinks don't exist for the sake of everyone being able to get them right off the bat. They exist to give veterans who have been around for a long time something to do.

True, but the point is, anyone new to GW has been seriously handed their asses by all the farming nerfs. This gives the veterans an unfair "headstart" on these titles, since many are sitting on multiple stacks of ectos gained before all the nerfs. This means the new people are very unlikely to attain any of the goldsink titles or FoW armour. To be fair, this is an issue with all MMO's and is part of the reason I'm thinking of ditching the genre totally.

Not to mention how unlikely it is that the lucky/unlucky titles can be maxed from scratch before GW2 as of the end of this festival.

And as for giving veterans something to do, do you mean the 6 hours they spend going "WTB sparklers 150g each" or the couple of hours it takes to set them all off?

More titles like GMC, Skill Cap (apart from the cost), and Vanquishing would be appreciated as opposed to the pointless moneysinks like sweettooth AND drunkard AND party animal AND lucky AND unlucky, etc etc ad nauseum

If Anet want a guaranteed goldsink, they should make all customised weapons able to go onto the HoM. That'd bury some gold...

Zehnchu · Feb 10, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

This only makes me care less about how special mini's are supposed to be.

I really don’t see why they need you to trade in five, and not any non personalized mini. I would like to see the static’s on how many non personalized mini pigs people had to see why they came up with that number.

Well at least this shows me I should be a greedy b***** then being a nice person who gave mimi’s freely to new players of those who didn’t have one.

No you can’t have my mimi’s

Shakti · Feb 10, 2008, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

You found this to be trivial because you don't care about it as much as others do. Is it WRONG that some of us actually CARE about something you think it's "trivial"?

Please.

I have to agree with Redfeather here. I also should point out that it's mainly the strength of the reaction he's talking about (correct me if I'm wrong Redfeather)

I don't think he's saying your feelings are wrong, he seems to be addressing the "the sky is falling" feeling prevelant here. It's a matter of perspective, and from a broader perspective...this just isn't that big a deal. It's a minipet made from minipets everyone constantly whinged were too common anyway.

Meat Axe · Feb 10, 2008, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

If Anet want a guaranteed goldsink, they should make all customised weapons able to go onto the HoM. That'd bury some gold...

That wouldn't be an effective gold sink, because too much development time would have to go into implementing that, and GW2 release would have to be pushed back (or release a severely unfinished and lacking product). Think about how much you're asking Anet to do. They need to create the monuments for each specific skin, then they need to store the information of the weapon, then they need to think up rewards for each weapon in GW2 and implement those. I'd much prefer Anet to leave the HoM alone and work on making GW2 a great game.

Anyone, as for the topic on hand. I agree to an extent with most people here. I was disappointed that the only way I was going to get a celestial pig was to spend a huge sum of money. For someone who never farms, unless you count occasionally vanquishing for that title, paying 100k+ for an item that is supposed to be a fun little addition to the game is asking a bit much.

And that's the point. I see the events as a fun, side attraction from the game. I would rather have no minipets in the event than have some people getting lucky and making it rich in seconds. The same thing happened with the polar bear, where the drop rate was so low that there weren't even any reports on fansites until the last day of the event. Now we have this minipet as a reward for hoarding an item that was a popular and handy gift to give to new players or people who missed out on last year's event.

The problem I have is that adding these minipets to a fun event means that people are going to get disappointed, and that really negates the whole point of the event. After all, if you can't participate in an event that only comes round once a year, you're gonna feel a bit disappointed. If you really think about it, the entire event is rather pointless. It's a pointless, fun thing, just like minipets. But people like to experience every bit of an event, and adding in an event item that is only available to a select few people, you're taking that experience away from people new to the game, or people who missed out last year, or people who gave away their pigs.

Anyway, I'm gonna go back and farm more lunar fortunes (I still have three characters that haven't done the quests). Who knows, maybe if I get another rat I can trade it for a celestial pig :P

arcanemacabre · Feb 10, 2008, 03:41 AM // 03:41

BTW people, goldsinks remove gold from the economy, i.e. armor/weaponsmiths/keys/etc. This is not a goldsink because the gold stays in the economy, it just gets re-distributed.

I have to agree with redfeather, too - this is a trivial matter. I think some individuals are taking this too emotionally. I totally agree that this was handled poorly, especially the 5:1 thing when 1:1 would have worked fine, but really, it isn't that huge of a deal.

HuntMaster Avatar · Feb 10, 2008, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Ok, now this makes me angry...

ANET gave away tons of mini pigs. Some of us were really nice and gave away our mini pigs to those that didn't have any. Now there is a collector for them, and those that gave away their mini pigs to others that were not at the event or who had losing districts are here without mini pigs because we were kind. All those people we gave them to are selling them for...get this... 100k! 100K! WTF? Nice people finish last. Not only do we lose out on any money (which is fine, that was why we gave them away), but now we can't get the new mini using the pig. I call BS on this one, big stinky piles of BS.

I agree and am very pissed off about this. i had 23 mini pigs, gave 22 away to friends and guildies and now i only have 1 left for my collection and i will not pay 25k+ per mini pig to get the new one.

Anet should change this for those of us who actual gave them away. True Greed. Anet and the greedy players screwed us mini collectors really good.
This teaches me to NEVER give anything away for free ever again.

and for all you people trying to justify this, Shut up. you got your pigs or your just trying to make more money by super price inflation.

PinoyRurik · Feb 10, 2008, 04:08 AM // 04:08

a.net = fail at making people happy.

Kashrlyyk · Feb 10, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Shakti

I have to agree with Redfeather here. I also should point out that it's mainly the strength of the reaction he's talking about (correct me if I'm wrong Redfeather)....

Strength of the reaction, can be explained by the fact that ANet had made a lot of bad decisions when it comes to Minipet distribution in the last 6 months. (When was that lottery in Europe and the destroyer minipets in America?) So people would think they learned from back then, but with this new stupid idea, they just show that they didn´t learn and care.

It is about how they treat their customers. Not so much about the minipets. Or am I wrong?

Hyper Cutter · Feb 10, 2008, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Strength of the reaction, can be explained by the fact that ANet had made a lot of bad decisions when it comes to Minipet distribution in the last 6 months.

I don't think they've ever made a good minipet-related decision since "let's give them as birthday presents". Asian minipets, anyone?

Trader of Secrets · Feb 10, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

So heres one lesson to learn: keep all collectibles. I happened to keep 1000 pig fortunes from last year because I was unable to sell them, and look wat happened, cele mini pig and fireworks title.

HuntMaster Avatar · Feb 10, 2008, 08:36 AM // 08:36

yea i think I'm going to sell all my mini's and just stop collecting. collecting on gw is simply not worth the trouble. Its almost not worth it to even play anymore at all. I made time for this event and it sucked. i shoulda done something else. what a waste of a day. i will not be on tomarrow. no point.

arcanemacabre · Feb 10, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by Trader of Secrets

So heres one lesson to learn: keep all collectibles.

Seriously, except mini pigs aren't 'collectibles,' as in: they don't stack. So I guess the lesson is keep everything whether it stacks or not. Be a pack rat and you will be "rewarded!" In fact, that rewards Anet the most since it means everyone would need to keep buying character slots to store all this crap.

hmm... where are the conspiracy theorists? I think I have a new lead!

lyra_song · Feb 10, 2008, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Seriously, except mini pigs aren't 'collectibles,' as in: they don't stack. So I guess the lesson is keep everything whether it stacks or not. Be a pack rat and you will be "rewarded!" In fact, that rewards Anet the most since it means everyone would need to keep buying character slots to store all this crap.

hmm... where are the conspiracy theorists? I think I have a new lead!

I collected stuff for the Halloween collectors through the whole year, cause I knew they would be back and i wanted the booze.

Is that an example?

Kashrlyyk · Feb 10, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...&postcount=351

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

One clarification: "Value" in the context of what I wrote did not mean price. I was speaking of the low value that people put in the miniature pig. Some were deleted, as you've read in this thread, because they were not considered valuable enough to hold onto.

So please accept my apologies if you thought I was talking about the cost of something, it's gold value, or how much you could sell it for. I was speaking of value in how much someone cares for an item, not the cost or price. There are things in the game that I value highly, even though they are not worth a lot of gold. I am sure the same is true of most players.

reetkever · Feb 10, 2008, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Seriously, except mini pigs aren't 'collectibles,' as in: they don't stack. So I guess the lesson is keep everything whether it stacks or not. Be a pack rat and you will be "rewarded!" In fact, that rewards Anet the most since it means everyone would need to keep buying character slots to store all this crap.

hmm... where are the conspiracy theorists? I think I have a new lead!

If you stacked up on party items the last 3 years, you are rewarded now by being able to go for the new title now.

If you stacked up on mini pigs (for whatever reason), you are now rewarded by being able to sell them for 25K each or get a celestial pig.

If it's about pets or event items, stacking them up is the best thing to do it seems. Oh, and NEVER give something away. It takes one thing and the value will shoot up and you will be left empty-handed.

BodhiNightwind · Feb 10, 2008, 10:32 AM // 10:32

They are constantly keeping us in the dark about things until it's too late.

They completely overreact as well.

They gave away too many mini pigs last year ( so freaking what, but whatever) so they fix that by letting you trade them in A YEAR LATER? who the heck is going to hold on to them for a year when they don't even know there's a reason to? Maybe if they had done this LAST YEAR when everyone was complaining OMG I HAVE TOO MANY MINI PIGS WHATEVER SHALL I DO !?
MAYBE that would have been a good idea. But I don't think so. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you should have to give up even 1 of any kind of mini pet to get another one. They're not crafting materials for crying out loud, mini pets are supposed to be special aren't they?

They fixed a non problem by coming up with a ridiculous solution, a year too late.

How many people actually have 5 mini pigs and are also willing to trade them in for 1 new pet?

I have 6 across 11 characters. Only have gotten around to dedicating one. So that means if I want this new mini pet I have to give up not only 5 of the actual pets but the option to ever dedicate them ever again.

I don't understand how stupid ideas like this get through the cracks and become reality.
I can see one person coming up with a stupid idea but then everyone says Ok yeah 5 pets for 1 pet sounds like a great idea!! ?? WTF?